What is your opinion on the state of the East Asia? How do you feel about the direction the countries are facing geopolitically? Maybe what do you think are the biggest challenges facing the various nations right now?
I know I stole ts, but people were complaining the US and Europe topics were getting racist, so I wanted to talk about something that's on my home turf that has REAL racism.
I'm guessing you're chinese because you post a lot of chinese media
Probably the only place I would visit in asia right now other than maybe hong kong or singapore.
Did you know that horses didn't exist in asia until the chinese took some from parthia, it was called the war of the heavenly horses
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Asia must be fucking Hell
Since this is the asian thread, I might as well start a discussion here about it but the reason why Europeans in general think Asian food is weird is because Europeans are the only people on earth who have dairy as part of their diet, all other humans had to get their calcium from eating bones and organs. Hence why lots of Asians and non-Europeans eat stuff like chicken feet, on top of that Europeans are the only people who went through industrialization the hard way and weren't just given the tech, so processed foods are a very big part of the western diet just as a result of that shift in technology for food that preserves well and enables you to travel large distances or live in places that aren't conducive to farming.
In Eastern Europe consuming internal organs is also common. Brain , liver, hearts (usually chicken hearts) and so on. I've heard the US food is the most processed on average but I do not know if its true.
Eating organs and stuff used to be common all over Europe before industrialization but nations that lead the industrial revolution like England, Germany and France all gave that stuff up in favour of mass produced food. We think of Scandinavia as quite western compared to somewhere like belarus even though they're closer to each other. but in Scandinavia they eat like sheep head and that sort of stuff, especially if you go to the faroe islands or iceland this is also the same. but again this can be chalked up to those places not being very good for farming.
run down of Asian politics to the best of my knowledge:
- Americans are really fucking pompous and spoiled, crying about "we live in the most racist and fascist country on earth". they have no idea what real racism and fascism is like. if they lived under real fascism, they would already be dead.
- anyone who is still supporting communism is an absolute retard who does not pay attention to history. China knows this, which is why they rewrite history all the fucking time.
- Vietnam's economy is totally fucked. Communism is so bad that somehow their economy got worse after WINNING a war. Vietnams economy is so fucked that politicians are incentivized to take bribes because they cant even afford to pay rent in the cities they run. The biggest nail was that issue a few years back with that banking fraud that caused the country to lose $24B USD, which is 6% lost in the country's GDP
- China is still trying to invade the South East Asia sea, claiming as their own because "we owned it thousands of years ago". Calling the territory "the nine-dash line". China wants it for fishing, mining, drilling, trade control, and strategic positioning. All the South East Asian countries, and even Japan, are working together to stop China from encroaching. China has been using the loophole of "we own the sea surrounding any of our islands" so they've been building a bunch of artificial islands. About a year back, Chinese navy got into a scuffle with Filipino ships, the ships crashed into each otehr and cause one of the fishers to lose a finger. If anyone would have died, The Philippines would have declared war.
- Similar to how Americans are complaining about "invasion by immigrants", we are ACTUALLY suffering that. China has been trying to force their citizens loyal to the CCP to live overseas and gain citizenship or sympathy in order to sway politicians that are pro-Chinese. Its the absolute worse in Taiwan because they think they fucking own us.
- idk enough about Myammar. All i know is that they currently have a civil war because the military took over as a fascist regime. I have a Myammar colleague and I hate him. I heard the military is holding his family hostage in order to convince him to go back to get drafted. He's currently sending money back home to "pay for their war efforts" so that they wont hurt his family. It sounds awful, but hes a POS so i dont feel so bad.
- Robot Kanye is Japanese so he can speak more on this, but Japan has their new female prime minister, and she hates immigrants. Makes sense when they are a peaceful country that's being bombarded by Johnny Somali, Logan Paul, and other assholes who dont have basic etiquette. Also Japan is rebuilding their navy, first time since WW2, in order to prepare for the possible attack from China. Japan promised to help defend us since we have a fairly strong army but weak navy (which i doubt would be much help either since itll likely be missile warfare. what we need are interceptors)
- if you do not know already, Taiwan specialized in semiconductors, aka computer chips. Nearly all the computer chips on each come from us. China wants to take over not just because they think they own us, but because they want the edge in computer chips. due to embargos placed by the US, China has no access to Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturing technology. In short, we just say that theyre 15 years behind because every new tech they make has the same specs as tech we made 15 years ago (its why DeepSeek is so valued because its AI that can run on weaker hardware compared to the overbloated mess that is ChatGTP)
- recently, co-founder of SuperMicron was trying to smuggle supercomputers into China and got caught. Pissed me off cause i had shares in SuperMicron, but not as pissed as my family still living in the US who lost thousands (literally saw him throw glass at the wall)
- Korea is depressing as fuck. they have known sex-offenders and traffikers but they cant do anything about it because those rapists are crucial to Korea's economy. actually moving towards the cyberpunk dystopia.
- both Korean and Japanese government are run by a bunch of boomers who are stuck in their 80s hayday, and focus on appealing to other boomers instead of young adults who are looking for work. Both youths just give up on life. Korea had a feminism movement called the 4th wave to combat the rampant sexism in Korea, causing increased sexism and drastic decrease in couples.
- China's real estate economy collapsed, literally. For the last decade, they have been skimping out and cutting corners on their construction, which is now causing nearly every building built within the last 10 years to collapse. Homes are no longer worth buying and people who pre-paid their mortgages are not getting their money back.
- China's young adult population has also given up on life. China is full of homeless streamers, literally streamers sitting on the street doing make-up tutorials and shit.
- China's internally collapsing economy may either mean they are more likely to invade Taiwan for a boost in economic and moral, or they are now less likely to invade to focus on internal conflict.
- Bangladesh government collapse, thats all i know
- Korea placed Johnny Somali in 30 years in prison with hard labor. But because he is also a registered sex-offender, he is not allowed to work on a farm. he has to stay indoors at all times working in a factory. Everyone in Asia is happy about this.
- Hong Kong had that revolt some year back that they lost. Which is a shame. Now Hong Kong is more or less a part of China. Hopefully we aren't like that
This is a solid geopolitical analysis, but on the economic side, much depends on what you mean by 'communism.'
If you mean central planning led by a Leninist vanguard party, then history shows it doesn't work. Too rigid. No price signals means local knowledge goes unused, feedback loops are too slow, and production fails. Also, it's de facto authoritarian - decisions top-down, regardless of democratic rhetoric. And authoritarian top-down decisions, as shown by the science of cybernetics (Stafford Beer's work), cannot handle variety. A central planner's brain has finite requisite variety - it cannot match the complexity of a whole economy. The system's relaxation time (how fast it responds to shocks) is far too long, so it never stabilises. And when a problem appears, the standard bureaucratic solution is to "shoot the cat" - eliminate the source of unexpected variety instead of adapting. That's why central planning fails.
I'm not defending Stalin, Mao, or the gulags (or ex-maduro regime). We agree those regimes were monstrous. But criticising capitalism doesn't make someone a Leninist.
Capitalism has deep, systemic flaws. It requires infinite compound growth on a finite planet - impossible. Thatcher's famous rebuttal to socialists was that they'd make everyone poorer just to shrink inequality. But her growth-for-the-working-class bargain is now broken. Stagnation is everywhere. The social contract is tearing apart.
Externalities are another failure. The free market can't price environmental destruction. And political power has consolidated into an unaccountable oligarchy - just like in Marxist-Leninist states, but with better PR. Studies show the average voter has statistically zero influence on policy (Princeton, and a similar one on the Netherlands). The market produces what's profitable, not what's useful. Planned obsolescence is the rule.
So what's the alternative? Not a totalitarian state. Not private property worship either (in my opinion).
We need an economy built on democratic, decentralised ownership. No ruling class of shareholders. No professional political caste. The means of production should be owned and controlled by the people who actually work - through worker cooperatives, commons-based management, and social ownership at scale - all of which must be accountable to the majority, or it becomes a bureaucratic dictatorship (as state things usually do).
A historical glimpse of this was Project Cybersyn in Chile (1970s). Instead of Soviet-style bureaucracy guessing factory needs, Cybersyn used telex machines for real-time, bottom-up data flow. It applied requisite variety: only variety can absorb variety. Factory floors reported supplies and shortages directly, amplifying regulatory variety at the bottom while attenuating it at the centre. The goal was to coordinate without commanding therby preserving local autonomy while solving the information problem. It was destroyed by the US-backed Pinochet coup, not by internal failure. Beer called it a "liberty machine" - a system where freedom is an output, not a slogan.
With today's tech, we could go much further. No oligarchs. No unaccountable politicians. No class that owns without labor. No corruption. Freedom for the society to decide how to manage itself , not an unaccountable class of people who do this.
I grew up in a post-Soviet state. In most post-USSR states, we got oligarchies, crumbling infrastructure, and widespread poverty. In practice, what we got was war and new masters - not freedom. That's exactly why I want something different: not a return to the past, but a viable model of democratic ownership for the future. I see my dear land dying and cannot sit idle and not think of solutions.
I saw you mentioned voting libertarian. I also wish to have a free society, but it seems we see the ways towards freedom differently. And yeah, the MLs are mostly dogmatic - "read the book, the book is right because the author is right" - but don't lump everyone into the same bin and throw insults, in the end it just alienates people who might have same values actually.
I don't want an endless argument. Just write something that will be read and understood.
capitalism and the principles of the free-market does have its problems. What is currently happening right now in Korea is the best example of it. They are slowly turning into the dystopian world that is cyberpunk. But now, i do not think capitalism requires infinite growth. Matter cannot be destroyed, there for resources will always exist to be transformed into other resources. Capitalism has always functioned off of the idea of scarcity, so the economy will course correct for a finite planet.
you are correct about enviormental destruction, since relatively all natural resources are of the collective. That is the part where i think governments do need to regulate the market to prevent further damage.
I have never heard of Cybersin, but after looking into it, it seems little to no different than what is planned to be implemented today. However people still have massive stigmas against AI (sometimes rightfully so), so having a computer and algorithm run the country will be scrutinized. I absolutely agree that modern technology can help create systems of governments originally not thought possible (like a direct democracy on a population within the hundred millions), however we need to slowly transition to it.
Yo Nezha, thanks for a thoughtful answer.
Cybernetics and AI are related but not the same. Generative AI is a token predictor; predictive AI is basically a fancy name for statistical models. Cybernetics is an obscure science (nowadays) that aims to improve how anything governs itself: a shop, a city, or a whole economy.
Cybersyn was a project based on cybernetic principles, very different from AI (stats + optimization). Optimization usually implies top-down control - and I agree, God save us from a non‑sentient AI making decisions! But cybernetics tries to do the opposite: help local entities govern themselves. Cybersyn was designed as a tool for local productive units to coordinate as a "free association of producers" - however, without the 'no organisation at all' that anarchists want (because there is a need for large‑scale projects like a hydroelectric plant).
On growth specifically: of course it is not a hard prerequisite, but not having it leads to fierce intercapital competition (same pie means getting more requires taking from someone else), bankruptcies (modern capitalism lives on debt i.e if growth stops, there will be no money to pay off the debt, leading to a crisis that would make the Great Depression look like a joke), and social conflict (workers accept modest gains only when the pie grows). So infinite growth is a political‑economic necessity for a stable, consensual capitalism.
I'm still deep in studying this (rough, given I have a life, lol), but the key takeaway: it's not "AI does stuff for us". It's about using a way of organising where local groups make their own decisions, and higher levels only step in for big projects - without the chaos that comes from having no coordination at all.
Mb i meant south asia , mainly the indian subcontinent, which im most familiar with
feel free to add your takes. idk enough about south asia other than:
- india and pakistanis hate each other
-inda and china have a melee fight once every few months
- zoomers from Nepal took over the government with the power of Discord and the One Piece
The hate runs deeper man ,
Im Ind ian (yes gustaaf) and we hate eachother based on colour , caste relegion , money , for no reason whatsoever.
It runs so deep in our society, that its normalised,
i always hear people mention caste discrimination in India and how theyve been trying to fight it since Ghandi. does that just mean discrimination by wealth?
No, in older times each group of people were assigned certain roles.
Like royalty, farmers , priests, cleaners etc
And people born to these 'castes would only be allowed to do the work assigned to them by the caste'
Also people of lower castes were considered less than human and termed 'untouchables', and if the higher castes touched them , they would get "polluted" ,
Nowadays the discrimination comes in the form of reservations,
For example: in most tier1 colleges 51% of admissions are reserved for lower class people, though this is not a bad thing in general, students who had to work harder for their seats feel like they got cheated and pick on the others , also causes a huge disparity in the intellect of the students
Gonna be honest, not reading all that, but I skimmed and yeah, most of Asia is actually hell.
I cant talk about most of your points, like Chinese immigrants, real estate, and birth declining, but I can say we shouldn't compare dick sizes about who has it worse. Everyone's in the shit together.
everywhere has it pretty bad, but I think we tend to talk so little about Asia it gets out of hand, specially because of the "Place, Japan" phenomena
Oh yeah definitely, Asia's had some of the worst governments and a lot of social issues thay are going down hill. I was just saying not to talk down to people from other countries because they want to talk about their arising problems.
Like I'm American and I grew up in the south. The racism towards anyone with a darker skin color than pale white and the rising political movement using every method used by fascists, as well as dehumanizing and shipping off people who oppose them is very apparent.
I dont like the fact that someone is telling me my problems are bullshit because they are also going through stuff country wide just as bad, if not worse. We can speak of our problems and not tell others they're pompous and spoiled.
But that's just my opinion.
sorry, i just had a crash out because i keep seeing bullshit about Americans running the "No King Protest", especially when many of them defended the Ayatollah and actually demonized the Hong Kong protest.
Valid reason, but remember that that is the small, small minority.
Millions of people protested (because thats all they can do other than violence) and of course certain people will be douche bags.
That does in no way represent the protesters, the rallies, or the American mind set as a whole. People just want a better country and not a king.
America is the nation of freedom. i know you guys dont think your country is free, but it can be a WHOLE lot fucking worse and it pisses me off when some Americans dont realize that. You have the power of free speech and press. You guys could petition to your council or actually just hold dialogue in the street. literally just be left-wing versions of Charlie Kirk. And there is a difference between choosing not to commit violence and being incapable of committing violence. The worse you guys can do is throw bricks, spray graffiti, and rob a store. If the police wanted to mow you all down and turn the streets to red mist, they easily would. The existence of your protest is at the mercy of the very people you are against. Despite being the nation of guns, I hardly ever see a protestor have guns except for gangbangers who just use the chaos to rob stores.
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I compare this to what I saw in Hong Kong. People would have literatlly killed themselves if it mean they could speak out against the government without impunity, they would have killed to get the right to own guns. The Chinese government brought in the military to mow them down, and protestors fought back with improvised explosives and welded weapons and barricades. People in Hong Kong have not only been killed, but deleted from existance for doing much less than the No Kings Protest.
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I cant speak for the whole world, but i can say with certainty that everyone in east asia thinks the No Kings Protest are a bunch of clowns. In mandarin, we have a derogatory word for you guys called 白左 (pronounced bai-zuo, literal "white left"). there was an attempt at an anti-trump protest in Japan by a bunch of American tourists, and the police shut that shit down SO fast. You are not smart enough to use peaceful dialogue and you are not strong enough to use violence, so instead you guys just resort to being mildly annoying.
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sorry i got into a rant
That is the trick, Europeans are not easily satisfied, there seems to be a pattern of acceptance, if you go to africa people there will not want to improve their conditions because of the effort it would entail. In asia I've noticed a love for bureaucracy and doing things as they've always been done. Europeans and Americans will have their entire week ruined if they have to put up with any bureaucracy. That's not saying America or Europe are better off than Asia. It's just the mechanic through which we try to maintain shit.
no that is fairly true. If you ask someone "would you rather have total anarchy or totalitarian order", most Americans would pick anarchy while Asians would pick order, even despite being oppressed by the CCP.
I dont keep up with this stuff but what is the "No King Protest" as i cant find a straight answer on google
The No Kings Protest is a very big anti-trump protest, and it's about how Americans won't serve a king again after the Revolutionary War. Its not doing much of anything, but it is a nice reminder that people here do what they can and protest what they can't
once a year (actually theyve only done this twice now, first time was last year), all the nutcases in the US (and the UK for some reason idk) who hate Donald Trump and have too much free time will go march onto the streets to show how much they hate Donald Trump. This is under the logic that Donald Trump is acting like a king and that they dont like it. Very often they block traffic or commit vandalism/arson, which just pisses off every normal person not involved.
- what does this achieve? I have no fucking idea and i dont think they know either. Ive tried asking a few of them on twitter and facebook and i just get called a nazi and a white sympathizer for asking.
- how is Trump a king? according to them, its because hes doing a bunch of bad things they dont like despite winning the popular vote
- why is the UK taking part in the protest? i have no idea, but its clearly not in protest of King Charles, their ACTUAL king. Honestly i think the brits are more cooked than the Americans since those protestors dont even know they live in an ACTUAL fascist country.
Not american thus it is an external view.
The problem I see is that Trump was elected on one program (such as releasing Epstein files or NO MORE WARS, as he said) but is effectively doing opposite things; that is why people are mad.
So in the view of the public, whilst he was elected by democratic means, he is a 'king' because he does not follow through on any of his promises.
Popularity of Trump fell to 33%, and he won with 49%, so there are certainly many electors who feel betrayed by him.
I see this as the reason for the protests.
The No Kings protests is a show of solidarity, it's meant to show that there are Americans against Trump.
For how Trump is acting like a king, he is using a lot of unconstitutional power, there is supposed to be checks and balances in the American government. Congress is supposed to have the power to make changes in departments and agencies that are supposed to act independently from the president to avoid bias, but he abuses his position in politics by firing, threatening, and dismantling anything that doesn't blindly submit to him. Some of the these 3 letter Agencies/Departments I can think of right now are the: DOJ, DOE, EPA, FCC, SEC, and USAID to name a few that I know have been circumvented in a way by the administration.
Trump has a lot of power and no way to properly check him without losing your job or standing
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there will always be Americans against trump, we didnt need a parade to know that. but what this parade shows is that you clearly have no power to stop it. You are incapable of using words and reason to convince others why trump is wrong, and you lack the firepower to stop the police should they ever choose to escalate.
from what i seen, i do not see how trump is doing anything unconstitutional. he created executive orders, which he is allowed to do, and congress is free to vote against it, which they dont.
- trumps actions with the DOJ is dubious so ill give you that
- EPA i am mixed about, while of course its important to protect the enviorment, the EPA does little to nothing because its an overbrlown bureaucratic mess
- idk enough about FCC and SEC
- USAID was 100% a mess and i absolutely hate them for actually affecting my life, even here in Taiwan. Even the Chinese hate them. its a bunch of stupid CIA psy-op missions to introduce DEI and other 白左 bullshit across the planet. theyre the reason why Hollywood sucks and why Asian movies and games hardly get any recognition. Nobody on earth likes US intervention, and clearly the Americans dont like their tax dollars going towards bullshit they dont care about. getting rid of them was the best thing DOGE did.
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run down of Asian politics to the best of my knowledge:
- Americans are really fucking pompous and spoiled, crying about "we live in the most racist and fascist country on earth". they have no idea what real racism and fascism is like. if they lived under real fascism, they would already be dead.
- anyone who is still supporting communism is an absolute retard who does not pay attention to history. China knows this, which is why they rewrite history all the fucking time.
- Vietnam's economy is totally fucked. Communism is so bad that somehow their economy got worse after WINNING a war. Vietnams economy is so fucked that politicians are incentivized to take bribes because they cant even afford to pay rent in the cities they run. The biggest nail was that issue a few years back with that banking fraud that caused the country to lose $24B USD, which is 6% lost in the country's GDP
- China is still trying to invade the South East Asia sea, claiming as their own because "we owned it thousands of years ago". Calling the territory "the nine-dash line". China wants it for fishing, mining, drilling, trade control, and strategic positioning. All the South East Asian countries, and even Japan, are working together to stop China from encroaching. China has been using the loophole of "we own the sea surrounding any of our islands" so they've been building a bunch of artificial islands. About a year back, Chinese navy got into a scuffle with Filipino ships, the ships crashed into each otehr and cause one of the fishers to lose a finger. If anyone would have died, The Philippines would have declared war.
- Similar to how Americans are complaining about "invasion by immigrants", we are ACTUALLY suffering that. China has been trying to force their citizens loyal to the CCP to live overseas and gain citizenship or sympathy in order to sway politicians that are pro-Chinese. Its the absolute worse in Taiwan because they think they fucking own us.
- idk enough about Myammar. All i know is that they currently have a civil war because the military took over as a fascist regime. I have a Myammar colleague and I hate him. I heard the military is holding his family hostage in order to convince him to go back to get drafted. He's currently sending money back home to "pay for their war efforts" so that they wont hurt his family. It sounds awful, but hes a POS so i dont feel so bad.
- Robot Kanye is Japanese so he can speak more on this, but Japan has their new female prime minister, and she hates immigrants. Makes sense when they are a peaceful country that's being bombarded by Johnny Somali, Logan Paul, and other assholes who dont have basic etiquette. Also Japan is rebuilding their navy, first time since WW2, in order to prepare for the possible attack from China. Japan promised to help defend us since we have a fairly strong army but weak navy (which i doubt would be much help either since itll likely be missile warfare. what we need are interceptors)
- if you do not know already, Taiwan specialized in semiconductors, aka computer chips. Nearly all the computer chips on each come from us. China wants to take over not just because they think they own us, but because they want the edge in computer chips. due to embargos placed by the US, China has no access to Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturing technology. In short, we just say that theyre 15 years behind because every new tech they make has the same specs as tech we made 15 years ago (its why DeepSeek is so valued because its AI that can run on weaker hardware compared to the overbloated mess that is ChatGTP)
- recently, co-founder of SuperMicron was trying to smuggle supercomputers into China and got caught. Pissed me off cause i had shares in SuperMicron, but not as pissed as my family still living in the US who lost thousands (literally saw him throw glass at the wall)
- Korea is depressing as fuck. they have known sex-offenders and traffikers but they cant do anything about it because those rapists are crucial to Korea's economy. actually moving towards the cyberpunk dystopia.
- both Korean and Japanese government are run by a bunch of boomers who are stuck in their 80s hayday, and focus on appealing to other boomers instead of young adults who are looking for work. Both youths just give up on life. Korea had a feminism movement called the 4th wave to combat the rampant sexism in Korea, causing increased sexism and drastic decrease in couples.
- China's real estate economy collapsed, literally. For the last decade, they have been skimping out and cutting corners on their construction, which is now causing nearly every building built within the last 10 years to collapse. Homes are no longer worth buying and people who pre-paid their mortgages are not getting their money back.
- China's young adult population has also given up on life. China is full of homeless streamers, literally streamers sitting on the street doing make-up tutorials and shit.
- China's internally collapsing economy may either mean they are more likely to invade Taiwan for a boost in economic and moral, or they are now less likely to invade to focus on internal conflict.
- Bangladesh government collapse, thats all i know
- Korea placed Johnny Somali in 30 years in prison with hard labor. But because he is also a registered sex-offender, he is not allowed to work on a farm. he has to stay indoors at all times working in a factory. Everyone in Asia is happy about this.
- Hong Kong had that revolt some year back that they lost. Which is a shame. Now Hong Kong is more or less a part of China. Hopefully we aren't like that
Gonna be honest, not reading all that, but I skimmed and yeah, most of Asia is actually hell.
I cant talk about most of your points, like Chinese immigrants, real estate, and birth declining, but I can say we shouldn't compare dick sizes about who has it worse. Everyone's in the shit together.
everywhere has it pretty bad, but I think we tend to talk so little about Asia it gets out of hand, specially because of the "Place, Japan" phenomena
I really really really really really really really really really really really hate the
niggas. You can't just say "no" to war crimes